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Strange Elevation Issue

Post by Griff » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:06 pm

This is what I see at the new SEQM and things I have done:
1) Ran the troubleshooter in the Flightbeam Manager. Results: No conflicting files found.
2) Uninstalled, re-installed: No change
3) I am NOT running Orbx Vector
4) P3D Version 4.5
5) Orbx South America LC installed (freeware mesh not installed).

Thanks for any assistance.
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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by SammyH » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:47 pm

Yeah you have something very strange going on, especially given the details you named and installations.

I can tell you right now ORBX has "NO" affect on this region at all. I believe majority of the beta team had ORBX installed and did not have to rename a single file, nor did we even have to run the AEC Tool. So what you have going on here is something I will try to look into.

Are you positive you have no other AFCADs in your system? Often times people say that and they have stuff in there they did not even know about. Ai program? Have you done a file search in your main P3D folder for anything named SEQM?

Just a couple things to try.
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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by cleptric » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:06 pm

I have the exact same issue. I did a search for any SEQM files, and didn't find any.
1) Ran the troubleshooter in the Flightbeam Manager. Results: No conflicting files found.
2) Uninstalled, re-installed: No change
3) I am NOT running Orbx Vector
4) P3D Version 4.4
5) Orbx South America LC installed (freeware mesh not installed).
6) FS Global Ultimate Mesh (which is disabled as well, with the same result)
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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by Griff » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:14 pm

Thanks for the reply SammyH. I have done a search for "SEQM" on my entire P3D folder and the only files that appear are located in the FlightBeam folder or the P3D Add-ons folder in My Documents. I do have Ultimate Traffic Live installed but I don't have any AI traffic showing (only use it for model matching). Plus, I can't find anything that would indicate that it would cause elevation problems. A fellow flight sim friend also has the same problem so hopefully a solution can be found. Let me know if you need me to look anywhere else or disable any files to assist.

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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by David_Aquino » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:27 pm

Very strange problem. We are looking into it. Will get back to you shortly.
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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by David_Aquino » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:49 pm

Could you guys please de-activate any AI traffic addon you are using? It appears to be an AFX file that causes a modification to SEQM and confirm if it continues with the problem.
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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by cleptric » Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:15 pm

The only thing I run, which comes close to AI traffic, is FLAi. I disabeld it, but got the same result.

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Re: Strange Elevation Issue  [SOLVED]

Post by Griff » Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:20 pm

Okay, found the culprit. I located my runways.txt file and did a search for SEQM. I found a file installed:
Scenery\0304\scenery\APX27320.bgl (which refers to SEQM). I opened that file in my P3D folder and found the bgl file, turned it off, and the elevation problem disappeared. I also have a file labeled APX27320.bgl.ilsbckup. Would this have anything to do with updating the nav database in the sim?

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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by cleptric » Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:30 pm

Griff, thanks a bunch! :)
I can confirm, renaming APX27320.bgl to .off fixes the elevation issue.

I'm updating my navaids every month with https://www.aero.sors.fr/navaids3.html, so this may be something to look into.

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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by SammyH » Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:02 pm

Appreciate the feedback gents.

Glad you got it figured out.

Enjoy, and happy landing!
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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by Commander-AUT » Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:49 am

Wonder if disabling this bgl would affect all the Navaids in this area?

I use the monthly cycle of this Navaids update myself, but i haven't this elevation issue.

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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by B747400ERF » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:11 pm

cleptric wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:30 pm
Griff, thanks a bunch! :)
I can confirm, renaming APX27320.bgl to .off fixes the elevation issue.

I'm updating my navaids every month with https://www.aero.sors.fr/navaids3.html, so this may be something to look into.
You have another AFCAD or Altitude file conflicting here... I have the navaids update and install every month too and have no elevation problem.

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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by Graeme » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:29 pm

I had the same problem. Once I disable this file and setup the config within P3D as per to the SEQM Manaul it's all working.

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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by trisho0 » Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:56 pm

Griff wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:20 pm
Okay, found the culprit. I located my runways.txt file and did a search for SEQM. I found a file installed:
Scenery\0304\scenery\APX27320.bgl (which refers to SEQM). I opened that file in my P3D folder and found the bgl file, turned it off, and the elevation problem disappeared. I also have a file labeled APX27320.bgl.ilsbckup. Would this have anything to do with updating the nav database in the sim?
Congratulations for the SEQM scenery Artistic work, Amazing!
Regarding on that elevation issue I have that file active and no problems yet. I think an Exclude file would fix it instead of renaming original P3D files.

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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by SammyH » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:09 am

Thank you all for the feedback.

It seems to have only effected a very small handful of people, at this point reported by three customers.

It is something we will look into for a patch.
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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by Ralfy124 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:07 pm

Just for information, count me also in for this problem. Deleted the mentioned file and restored the backup did solve the problem.

It is not the general navaids file from aerosors which replaces the mentioned APX....-file, but the additive Regional ILS/RWY update. This may be the reason some reported here that they have no problems although updating the navaids.

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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by n452mk » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:12 pm

Guys if I disable that file then GSX wont work, if I establish the file then I have the elevation issue, no idea what else to do :(
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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by AaronMyers » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:53 pm

Had the same problem here. Shame I didn't check it first before flying 6.5 hours only to be met with a towering elevation issue. Renaming the file after the fact seems to have resolved it for me as well. Better luck next time!

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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by Graeme » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:10 am

Instead of turning off said file within P3D 4.5, I uninstall the Scenery from Add/Remove of Windows 10 and put back in the original Scenery Files for P3D 4.5 this has work with that file been mention left on. No more problems with SEQM. The programs that mention from this website plays up with SEQM.

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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by n452mk » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:11 am

will do and see what happens, keep you posted, thanks.

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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by ArcherII » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:04 pm

Add me to the list of people with this very problem.

I also have the navaid update + the regional update from Herve Sors.

Just checked with Simple Airport Scanner and there're no conflicting bgls with any other addon (except maybe said navaid update).

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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by SammyH » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:27 pm

Well it would explain why no one on the beta team had any issues, cause none of us use this NAVAID fix you all are speaking of. I have no idea why this file would create an issue with our scenery.

It is something we will look into and possibly have a future update to fix. Unfortunately like all scenery we cannot give a 100% that it is supported or will work with everything on the market, that is just not feasible. We do our best but please understand some stuff is simply out of our control.

We will report back when we have a solution.

Thank you for your patience and continued support.
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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by ArcherII » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:00 am

As others users did, I recovered the backup bgl and erased sors' generated bgl.

Airport looks ok now.

Still some terrain issues on the borders though, as seen in the screenshots.
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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by B747400ERF » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:44 pm

ArcherII wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:00 am
As others users did, I recovered the backup bgl and erased sors' generated bgl.

Airport looks ok now.

Still some terrain issues on the borders though, as seen in the screenshots.
Do you have any type of global mesh product?

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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by ArcherII » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:41 pm

B747400ERF wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:44 pm
ArcherII wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:00 am
As others users did, I recovered the backup bgl and erased sors' generated bgl.

Airport looks ok now.

Still some terrain issues on the borders though, as seen in the screenshots.
Do you have any type of global mesh product?
Yes, Toposim.

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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by paulnd » Sun May 05, 2019 9:43 am

Hello,

I've contacted Hervé Sors who provides the navaid updates (https://www.aero.sors.fr/navaids3.html). He replied
I carefully analyzed changes I performed to the stock APX27320.bgl file that may impact rendering while addon scenery was installed (Note there is no problem in the sim if no addon scenery is present)
The only significant things were:
Change of ICAO indicator from SEQU to SEQM
Rwy renumbering from 17/35 to 18/36 (with adequate change of taxiway signs)
Correction and addition of current ILS data (IQN and IQS instead of IQO)
Correction/addition of approach lights and PAPI data
Update of COM data
There was no change in altitude data and scenery objects (except ILS associated objects)

I think the first 2 may affect some exclusion parameters in the scenery addon (to be discussed with addon developers)
This is the only cause I can identify by now

The updated file display is OK when there is no additional scenery. The P3Dv4 BGL file is strictly identical to the FSX one.

Hope it could help sorting out the problem
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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by downscc » Sun May 05, 2019 11:34 am

Griff wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:20 pm
Okay, found the culprit. I located my runways.txt file and did a search for SEQM. I found a file installed:
Scenery\0304\scenery\APX27320.bgl (which refers to SEQM). I opened that file in my P3D folder and found the bgl file, turned it off, and the elevation problem disappeared. I also have a file labeled APX27320.bgl.ilsbckup. Would this have anything to do with updating the nav database in the sim?
Thanks for this post. I had exactly this same problem. I have only ran Sors ILS Update once and I''ll never do it again because I have quite a few airports I've modified with ADE and in those the default navaids revised to be in accordance with FAA NASR data. Then this ILS Update comes along and adds in all those default scenery objects such as the LOC and GS antennas so I end up going back in with ADE and adding exclusion rectangles. Whew.

Anyway, I set APX27320.bgl to APX27320.bgl.REV.OFF to remind me of this exercise and renamed the backup to APX27320.bgl and every thing works. I'm not too worried about Flightbeam getting the location or configuration of navaids wrong, I've only caught them once at KMSP.

Thanks again.
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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by keenrw » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:19 am

Hi

I found out what the problem was and told Hervé via his Forum .... on renaming SEQU to SEQM it meant the new airport was put on top of the old one which is wrong as its a new airport a few miles away from the old SEQU so causing the Terrain problems with any add on scenery for SEQM ... he has fixed this now with an update file and will also be part of any new nav data updates .

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Re: Strange Elevation Issue

Post by SammyH » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:14 pm

Thank you for the feedback and assist, Rich.

It is much appreciated!
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